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Sponsor |  rumisong | Apr 26, 2007 5:32am | by naming "The Flow" ... it implies a sort of scarcity, doesnt it ...
Im sure, intuitively, we all "know" that the flow is all about us in every moment ... yet we tend to mostly think in terms of being "in" it or "out of it" - yes?
From all the interactions Ive had with creative people, excepting for when we are in the quietest of moments ... around a fire late in the evening ... in nature- sitting and watching the forest "forest" itself into existence ...
but mostly - in day to day existence, we treat it as a scarcity ... "I need to get into the groove of this thing" ... "Im just not 'feeling it' today" ... etc ...
why the disconnect? - we know its there, and yet we dont "feel" it all the time ... so, we are disconnected ...
and yes, there are means by which we can slow and quiet ourselves down- of course ... but still - Im curious about the WHY of the disconnect itself? ...
is this at all important? |
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Sponsor | | ferretsgames | Apr 26, 2007 5:48am | I think of it as the flow of a stream.
There are sometimes obstacles which interfere with it.
Rocks, a fallen tree even a child playing in the water can cause eddies but the flow continues if you look past the obstruction. |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Apr 26, 2007 6:13am | i see the flow as a kind of freedom... "going with the flow" ie being tolerant and accommodating, feeling free to express your thoughts.
but, yes, getting "into the flow" can be difficult sometimes but it is always there, within our grasp. |
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Sponsor | | rumisong | Apr 29, 2007 6:25am | yes, I remember reading part of Csikszentmihalyi's book many years back - and what occurred to me at the time (now it exists as a pretty solid understanding) was the old question - a sort of zen koan, like this one:
"Chuang Tzu once dreamt that he was a butterfly fluttering here and there. In the dream he had no awareness of his individuality as a person. He was only a butterfly. Suddenly, he awoke and found himself laying there, a person once again. But then he thought to himself, "Was I before a man who dreamt about being a butterfly, or am I now a butterfly who dreams about being a man?"" Is Flow the natural state, and this idea that we are "in and out" of the flow, is the illusion? ... because much of the book - indeed, all of academic thought, provides itself that these are states of being that are themselves "out" of the norm, and that one should want to "seek" them out ...
but what if it is the other way around? (for me, no longer an academic question)
what if the notion that these states exist, comes from the very illusion that we are NOT in Flow all the time ? |
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